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18 August 2009


Hi Les, very interesting post.

I am trying to find out as much as I can about aircraft syndicates and your article was exactly what I was after.

Would there be any chance that I could contact you by email to ask some more questions about your experience, and dealings with tech logs, insurance, bookings etc.

Many thanks

Tim (tim.cuddy@btinternet.com)

Hi Tim

No problem, feel free to email me on lesking@eurofileit.co.uk

As you mention, there are a number of administrative issues which require businesslike management and I will be happy to offer the benefit of my experience.



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A really interesting and thoughtful article. I thought I'd share my perspective.

I've tried syndicates and was with one at Elstree (yes not France) but one starts somewhere. I joined a non equity, non share group, which was approx 10% cheaper than clubs rates. I then discovered that the W&B was incorrect only when I went to a fly-in with other pilots, and was 'playing with the W&B app on my iPhone (sorry I like my gadgets!) I was horrified to find that although a 4-seater PA28, the aircraft could not take more then 2 with half tanks.

I pondered this and was OK until same a/c had an power failure on take-off. For those that know EGTR, it has a graveyard at the end of one runway coupled with electricity pylons. It has non-standard joins and is also a bit of a tricky landing in a cross wind.

This was enough for me not to continue in this syndicate. I have since started my IMC in a C172 and its good to have that skills now with EASA realignment happening.

I have since made a serious decision and have bought a Jabiru SK - its in excellent condition; Jabiru are Australian self-build which are treated as Groo-A on the register. This type of a/c needs looking after and regular flying and I went up in it yesterday and landed it on approx 300m if not less of grass in Norfolk. It banks beautifully and behaves similarity to the Robin Dr-400

I intend to bring it to Limoges in the summer where I come to my holiday home see www.maisonbojac.com. I can go to see friends in Annemasse (on the French Swiss border) and also fly don to Monaco and the coast.

I'm lucky enough to have the cash - not any more!! as I've very empty pockets - but have also found a network of people who will help me maintain and learn this aircraft. Forme the maths works; eith pay £130/hr from a school or £110 from a syndicate (although equity syndicates bring this rate down). My investment means I can fly from UK to Limoges for £90 with fuel at EGTR prices (and with VAT back this will probably be less than £70 at 95-100nm/hr

I am unsure of what the equivalent is of the LAA in France but having an aircraft that you maintain, and take pride in and manage is a major decision. I probably don;t understand how aircraft truly work; but I'm about to find-out.... so any Jabiru flyer near LFBL, let me know


i am planning a flight to Limoges on March 5th. Any particular tips regarding the airfield, fuel availability, paying for same, and the like?

Many thanks for your help.

Yours sincerely, munchi choksey

Hi Munchi

To get you started, here's where to get the official airfield information http://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/html/frameset_aip_uk.htm

I haven't flown from there since June so other readers may have more useful info.



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